hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome
to the right opinion the home of a [ __ ]
were too much free time now though we
cover some drama that’s a bit more
recent because oh my do we adore the
drama now I’ve covered twitch streamers
before and I’ll cover twitch streamers
again because they are an interesting
set of people and in spite of fact that
many of them are collectivized into a
category by commentators they are all at
least somewhat distinguished in what
they do in a video last year I carve
it’s a burger someone whose rise to
meteoric stardom was paired with an
equally catastrophic fall she was an
absolute magnet of drama and while the
more sexually suggestive characters out
of that legion at the same time she was
her own individual she was banned off
twitch I mainly gained infamy for antics
on YouTube and the subsequent drama that
yield it on the other hand we have
female streamers who may well be
considered attractive by their audience
I mean who doesn’t want to look their
best on camera but at the same time
doesn’t necessarily seek to exploit that
and this is where we reach pokeyman
pokeyman is someone who is established
on both YouTube and twitch with over 2
and a half million subscribers /
followers on each platform that’s
something which obviously cannot be
ignored he does some gaming she does
some reaction based videos but o rule as
people go she’s not an individual who
has received exceptional controversy
this is fairly typical for most John
Roos with a fairly undemanding audience
much less demanding than the ones who
watch critical commentators like myself
most commentators also tend to have a
list of people who are controversial and
easy to make videos on this is a
rotating list of people including Bryce
gums the pools morgues ksi edgy so maybe
some of the beauty community now maybe
throwing Emma Chamberlin – maybe you
like making thought pieces on who the
next Content cop is gonna be on or even
if there will be a new content copper
tool what this means is that although
people will be doing shady or at least
debatable actions if people aren’t
focusing on them then it’ll probably
pass under the radar and a lot of
craters including the person we’re going
to discuss today have been sheltered
from that sort of environment until now
however as spoken in the past the
alienation of drama can often mean that
when it eventually does confront one of
these people it means they
way out of their depth with no idea of
how to actually handle it generally this
is meant that in the history of dreamers
versus commentators the twitch streamers
tend to lose looking back to pyrocynical
versus Zooey burger PewDiePie versus a
Lindsay and yes in both of those
situations for example it’s fairly
reasonable to argue that you could side
with pyrocynical and PewDiePie in those
situations regardless of outcome but as
much as the circumstance does comprise
the drama the handling and the
presentation are equally important
another real problem is how a load this
drama can often be perceived expose
videos have been monopolized recently by
the commentary genre and so attempting
to make any sort of response to them is
the equivalent of going to play in a way
match your entering someone else’s
stadium and you’ll be attracting their
audience even if you’re responding on
your own channel why are the problems
with a lot of drama is that it always
feels like an ass versus them situation
you really are expected to side with one
of the people involved but sometimes
there is a clear moral high-ground when
it comes to these claims but often when
there isn’t we have to look a bit more
closer than many people choose to the
thing about drama is that whatever it
yields it can be assumed and some sort
of moral standard even though we often
forget about the conclusions we make and
just contradict ourselves in the future
I’m a man who does enjoy some
consistency some because whatever
disputes occur do have reputational
legacies and it’s important that we’re
holding people to account but not
unfairly singling them out because of
some subconscious bias so let’s talk
about today’s situation on the 28th of
December a very small youtuber by the
name of fainted released a video called
the dark side pokey main in which he
alleged that while the public’s back was
turned pokey main had done some pretty
shady stuff I’ll be breaking down the
details in a moment but like some of the
most infamous streamers in the past some
of the main claims were on the notion of
copyright striking or as many people now
like to call it copy striking firstly in
the incident of a series of uploaded
Twitter clips on a few between her and
keemstar and secondly on a child that
reuploaded stream clips of her known as
dam set these are both fairly separate
situations but fell under the umbrella
of criticism that pokey main was facing
down
when he uploaded a video fainted had a
few hundred subscribers but the video
blew up and he’s in a quite different
position it’s safe to say everyone lumps
a good old success story on top of his
paints his video contain multiple
allegations of hypocrisy particularly
imply through the situation in which
pokeyman criticized keemstar for
allegedly bullying a fan promoting a
principle that many claims was
contradicted by her behavior towards the
subjects of faint his video then a
couple weeks later on the 11th of
January PewDiePie uploaded a video with
the classic title stop doing this in
which you requested a host of youtubers
to well stop doing this
this being the unwarranted copyright
striking of other videos that seemingly
didn’t deserve them in this list was the
lady herself pokey main and the fact
that she had allegedly struck down the
Twitter feud which as pointed out by
PewDiePie had been picked up by the
algorithms and were being publicized and
pokey men probably wanted to keep it out
of the public eye
however this caused a classic Streisand
effect and now has the platform’s
largest youtuber covering it well we’ll
see how he’s doing it’s T series by the
time this video comes out so clearly
with a lot of allegations staring
herself down pokey main decide to make
her response video in which she
addressed some of the claims made
against her she admits some of her
transgressions but also decides to hold
her ground on some points particularly
this situation regarding damn sev which
is an interesting one
she also responds directly to both
PewDiePie and feted including clips of
their videos which of course provokes an
additional response from fainted which
was mainly rebutting pokey mayor’s
response and some of the points that she
made kind of concluding the pokemons
response was insufficient in the scope
of actually responding and more just a
way to dodge and reframe a lot of what’s
going on but is that the case because
honestly watching through fainted
initial video I wasn’t really won over I
thought it was a bit weak by cos II want
other people who were won over equally I
don’t think that any of the conclusions
necessarily that I’ve observed make
pokey main a bad person per se but I
still think she’s made a huge mistake
and when your ratings are going badly
there’s always a reason so today I don’t
want this to be an exposed video it’s
not but more a guide on why people might
turn against you in the face of
ramaa and how someone who has probably
never dealt with it before can take it
on in the future because you know that’s
what we do here on the right opinion
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one of the most contentious issues on
the platform is that of fair use we have
some sort of vague Marga about the do’s
and don’ts when a situation that blurs
the lines comes about it often throws
the community into Kayle with no clear
argument on what is actually right on
top of this it is a really passionate
topic people care a hell of a lot and if
you’re doing it unjustly you are gonna
have an uphill battle defending yourself
this is the first situation that comes
about with pokey main because what
happened as both testified by her and
fainted is basically keemstar was on
Twitter had an argument with some fans
of another crater the colorful character
SS knife wall before pokey main stepped
into the fray to go toe-to-toe with Kim
in a Twitter video battle but then a
load of people contributed as well and
the load of memes and a load of people
who I’m not familiar with because I
don’t use this damn sight enough right
there this [ __ ] organization is
actually kind of awfully the shadows
even you could tell you stacked up even
of the angle [ __ ] sucks
this [ __ ] wires is in place now after
a discussion it was assumed to be over
and many people continued with their
lives however a compilation of this
discussion was downloaded and re
uploaded onto YouTube and it clearly
caught people’s attention and because it
caught people’s attention YouTube
decided that it was going to blow the
video up so suddenly this drama that
pokey MAME probably regretted involving
herself in the first place was blowing
up all over YouTube and there was
nothing she could do about it all so
people thought because pokey main
decided to have her company omnia media
removed the video and deal acclaim on to
the youtuber known as beau blacks now
most people believe he received a strike
straight away but actually this was a
miscommunication and sowing that has
been clarified recently through
additional research however even with
that said it did eventually turn into a
strike due to the appeals and for anyone
who doesn’t know a copyright strike has
a significant effect on the mobility of
a channel even if it’s only one it
causes a fair bit of stress and takes a
few months to expire so on one hand you
are fainted and PewDiePie who caught up
for doing this of course it’s annoying
when something like this blows out of
proportion but such a response is rather
uncalled for so in a way I can
understand why you want to take down
this video because this selected thing
blows up and becomes even bigger thanks
to YouTube system being kind of stupid
at least I can somewhat understand the
motivation of trying to take down that
video but the problem here and the same
problem that goes with every single
example that I brought up in this video
is that you’re just drawing more
attention to it
it’s the Streisand effect every single
time pokeyman responds them saying that
although she felt perfectly within legal
right to remove the video she
understands that it was a morally
problematic decision to take although I
was legally within my right to take down
the video morally and as a content
creator it wasn’t something that I
should have done because I mean at the
end of the day those were tweets that me
and keen made publicly and videos that
we made publicly fainted then disputes
this using his commentary credentials by
citing at keemstar tweets you know I’m
not even gonna bother giving my opinions
on this we’ll just leave that to the man
himself keemstar poke you mean I think
you’re confused on what transformative
means the video where they played both
our Twitter vids was transformative
because it’s a college of multiple Clips
there’s case law on this it’s not a
direct upload like you stated you could
get sued for false flagging this gave me
the impression that he seemed to think
that the video was fair use because it
was in a compilation format and so I
want to put this on hold for a moment
because I noticed a problem in the
reasoning firstly I think contrary to my
friend’s belief here that actually poke
humane was completely in her quote legal
rights to remove the video even though
there is some sort of claim that this
has been put to test in the courts I
cannot find it and I highly doubt a
compilation of clips would be considered
fair use considering some of the other
cases even if they’re done in a way that
shows a chronologically arranged
discussion which could be considered
part of the transformation dealing with
values is incredibly complicated we know
where the extremes lie we know that
Chris stuntman’s film reviews are almost
certainly fair use and we know that
reuploads of Coldplay songs are most
likely not fair use but a lot of the
content falls in between and therefore
the only way to resolve this is through
the courts either way fair use or not I
find this whole debacle to be a bit of a
non argument and if pokeyman was taken
to court over this I think
she’d win but here’s the thing just
because something is legally accepted
doesn’t mean we should accept it
laws are typically based off some sort
of moral foundations and therefore when
pokeyman accepted the regardless of
legality her move was morally dubious it
should have technically invalidated her
argument because generally we perceive
ourselves on the basis of paralysis and
therefore if she actively did something
that she’s aware was immoral then
legality only exists as a technical
defence to avoid being sued just because
something’s legal does not make it moral
and therefore means we shouldn’t
necessarily accept it laws themselves
exist for that reason for the betterment
of society what we build the laws on we
build those laws on principles laws are
partly built tomorrow and we’re always
debating what should and should not be
changed if you can’t morally justify
your actions than the fact that it’s
legal does not serve as a defense other
than of course in courts but audiences
are not jurors they’re just people who
have opinions thing is that although I’m
generally against re-uploaded content I
feel that these circumstances make the
situation much more of an archiving of a
conversation that occurred trying to
meet what unfortunately happened and
could have been archived any other way
is where the issue lies and I don’t
think that was a reasonable action on
her part and I think me and her can
agree there now and this is one of the
thing she uses this term in a way that I
would call a passive defense basically
she doesn’t run the point as if it’s
counter to her position on the situation
all the point she’s trying to make she
still concedes apologizes and admits she
was wrong and fair play for that
although I was legally within my right
to take down the video morally and as a
content creator it wasn’t something that
I should have done because I mean at the
end of the day those were tweets that
mean kiemce made publicly and videos
that we made publicly so I totally
apologize for that and I spoke to the
guy who made those videos like a few
weeks back and we had resolved all of
this in diem however because she made
the point fainted can extract it and run
against it and as a passive defense her
video really could have done without it
a passive defense is only really
utilized as they were
torkoal device to demonstrate
reasonability and I think that’s what
pokey was trying to do here the problem
is when you’re defending yourself a
passive defense has to explain your
mindset rather than necessarily
justifying your ability to commit the
action for example I say I’m sorry for
shouting at our lady I was drunk and
depressed but it was completely wrong
with me rather than I’m sorry for
shouting of that lady I was well within
my rights to do it but it was completely
wrong nonetheless because it’s a moral
issue the way of word the second
explanation
sounds like a scapegoat because it
sounds like I’ve shifted part
responsibility onto the legal system for
allowing me to do it and that’s where
you have to be very careful on how it
comes across I find pokey mains responds
genuinely interesting because I think is
one of the first ones that clearly have
the correct base formula down
corresponding something that you know is
wrong it’s important to admit your
mistakes but at the same time try to
make sure the audience can empathize
with the mindset you’re in and she does
appear to attempt that and lay that
structure down but she just pause the
wrong points in there is a right way and
a wrong way to justify yourself and this
tends to Lee in the wrong way this is a
problem particularly evident throughout
pokey mains response the emphasis of our
points do not reflect the points that
are of interest to the audience
everything that might be relevant seems
rather brushed over I don’t think it’s
her intent but it can come across as
rather dismissive equally I don’t think
it’s her intent to necessarily miss Rome
the claims being made against her but
some people were saying that I pulled up
his like personal Instagram and made fun
of him or something what she does is
honestly pretty evil he finds stuff
saves personal Instagram page and then
just laughing at pictures of him he had
his Instagram linked in the description
of the videos that he was posting so it
was not like a personal or private
Instagram I didn’t attack the way that
he looked and obviously he was watching
my stream while he was on the call with
me and he saw that I was looking at his
Instagram he said do you like what you
see showing off like yeah I don’t like
people trying to make it seem like I
would go to someone’s Instagram with
fail intent just to like bash on them
hell in a minute what kind of cutting
was that bro she just completely cut up
my point
though he finds stuff Sam’s personal
Instagram
age and then just laughing at pictures
of it let me show you what it actually
looked like and then you can probably
guess what pokey paintin include that in
her video but he finds stuff sells
personal Instagram page and literally
starts looking for a laughing at it in
front of thousands of viewers premier is
that she’s gone into it like a lot of
public figures they come from a genre
where optics and wording don’t seem like
a big deal and suddenly making vague
statements is fairly easy for a
commentator like fainted who I don’t
even rate as an argumentation experts
you have to be specific you have to be
clear with what you mean and you cannot
miss rain the situation to be
disproportionately sympathetic to your
case or disproportionately harsh against
another person because there is nobody
who will pick that up like the
commentators I think this is a really
important learning experience that we
should definitely take forward going
into the second situation
thing about the damn safe situation is
that if pokey main had approached it
correctly then she could have been in
the clip this is the real pivotal
situation that galvanized a lordly drama
and to completely apprehend how to
respond she kind of had to understand
exactly what people’s objections were to
the original scenario and once again
fainted on one hand had a much harder
sell DAF Seb was clearly an annoying
[ __ ] and frankly people are not inclined
to side with someone they may perceive
as an annoying [ __ ] and we do so much
here do you make youtube videos or do
you reapply other people’s content I
still contact and they’re like its own
[ __ ] and like put credits and I’m like
oh my god dude please subscribe the
thing fainted very smartly did was not
side with Daffy so by not necessarily
defending to have self he knew that if
pokey main decided to try and couple him
to have sev in any sort of way then he
could object and point out the floor in
her argument because pokey main didn’t
pay close enough attention to respond
meticulously she makes some very vague
claims and thus suffers because of them
even though with better wording she
could have really put it to bed but this
point in the discussion I think
everybody can agree that pokey meters in
the right hip because of course if this
guy’s proud of the fact that he’s
uploading clickbait videos it kind of
tells us a lot about his character so if
the video he’s uploaded consists of
literally just a stream clip nabbed from
her live stream than in that case I
think she 100% as the right to take that
on the video but because once again she
focuses on one issue which she doesn’t
really respond to properly she first
cants faintest clip up in a way that
changes the message now whether she want
to do that if proficiency or not is
beside the point it came across as
twisting information equally it’s really
important to not be distracted by the
general representation of the points
painted maybe a smaller youtuber but
right now he is the one with the moment
some and therefore if you want to
respond to him you have to make sure his
arguments are being communicated
properly and that equally you make sure
there’s no confusion
for example this earlier clip and people
have been using clips from that live
stream to try to make it look like I
randomly take down videos whenever I
want or I do that commonly when it’s
definitely not the case right so now
daddy faint it’s getting cool down I’m
pretty sure in my video never mentioned
anything about her frequently taking
down videos my video is focused on your
hypocrisy
now as noted fainted lays claim that
this clip is about him but pokey never
actively says it is and there’s fair
evidence to assume that from other
youtubers this narrative isn’t rare so
it’s very possible that pokey caught
other videos or comments from people but
because she put it in a title that she’s
responding to the dark side of pokey
main it implies that this is a narrative
that is local to his video even though
it’s not it is actually a general
narrative that is somewhat existent in
other youtubers who have made videos and
got decent views pokeyman recently still
be going around doing a lot of scummy
things pretty much she’s striking out a
bunch of smaller creators she’s making
people cried if I to 20,000 people right
on stream and she’s honestly just you
know I thought I want to put it out
there that I never knowingly take down a
video that is transformative content I
would not take down videos that people
have spent time like reading commentary
for and editing
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videos that I’m in that are positive or
negative that I don’t take down now I
say this because she uses the phrase
people faint it is not people fainted as
a person as far as I know and I think we
can deduce here that once again she’s
trying to address a different narrative
being pushed by certain youtubers the
problem is when you put someone’s video
title in your title it sounds like
you’re addressing them fainted had no
real right to lay claim to that comment
other than that fact it would have been
narcissistic to assume that his video
was the only one that promoted a
narrative like that equally by dressing
some narratives and overlooking others
it just seems like she’s dancing around
certain points and honestly she didn’t
really need to address fainted at all
especially when she only brings up the
situation about how it’s being framed
and one of the biggest problems is when
you bring up the question of optics and
not just the direct situation it becomes
very very sketchy the only thing that
she actively goes out of her way to
address fainted on is the Instagram
situation and once again if you can
explain why you did this barely enough
easy picking you pissed off that someone
is taking your content being an
irritating bastard and so to elicit your
perception of justice against this Dave
sev Trant you think that he deserves to
get the piss taken a swim and so you go
hang all your dirty laundry on the
stream and you admit that you went a bit
too far and you know what that’s pretty
much what she said and probably why
fainted doesn’t bother addressing that
part because a majority of it is fairly
agreeable the point of this is just the
same that was an entirely different
scenario in situation where I was well
within my right to take down his content
but also in that moment and on that live
stream like I shouldn’t have had that
conversation on stream and it definitely
was a moment of frustration that
shouldn’t have been like publicized in
that way for sure but then she ends up
at this point he had his Instagram
linked in the description of the videos
that he was posting so it was not like a
personal or private Instagram I didn’t
attack the way that he looked and
obviously he was watching my stream
while he was on the call with me and he
saw that I was looking at his Instagram
he said do you like what you see and
once again we end up in a situation over
house
song was allowed to do something the
notion that she found his personal
Instagram page because it was linked in
the description and honestly once again
her point is not wrong she can do what
she wants the fact that Dave sev is a
youtuber and adult putting content on a
public platform and therefore any links
he posts as public may be picked up by
anyone but it sounds like pokey Maine
interpreted the point against her as if
she was daxing someone rather than
actually necessary the point that
fainted was trying to make okay so this
is the one part of the video that does
kind of trigger me a little bit so in
Pookie means logic just because Dave sev
had his Instagram linked on one of his
twitch compilations that gives her the
right to display his Instagram in front
of thousands of people on her twitch
stream someone who she openly dislikes
and Ashley states earlier on in the
stream is what is wrong with this world
so you know clearly giving off some
great vibes towards this guy and
encouraging her fans to send them lots
of positive comments right if people who
don’t like him want to take the piss out
of him they can go for it I mean hell
that’s what people like leave he did for
a career and they went after much more
vulnerable targets the point that
fainted was making was that it was
rather distasteful to go out of your way
to make fun of someone and exposed them
to that heat especially when you have
that power to really cause some
potential harassment against them once
again something that you’ve already
admitted with a fairly heated gala
moment you’re then arguing on the
technicality the one that really wasn’t
being argued in the first place honestly
if po he had just turned around said yet
P got way deserved
she may have come out looking better and
the only reason she can’t really say
that is because the argument she had
with keemstar where she took that moral
position against bullying and yes you
can see the parallels between the
situation’s and if she really wanted to
work out how to make a proper response
in that instance she would have had to
worked out how to correctly express the
distinction between that situation and
this one and that is the only way you
can respond to something like hypocrisy
I think pokey genuinely wanted to try
and have an open discussion but the main
point that she continually made was that
I shouldn’t have done that but it was in
my rights too which is not a good
argument you have to just say honestly I
was pissed off because it’s okay to be
pissed off we’re all human we get
annoyed if some was me upload
my uploads I’d be annoyed too because in
many ways that’s what you seem to
express pokey I’m making somewhat
relevant points the meant to serve as a
defense actually tend to serve as a
distraction from what could have been a
genuinely decent response video
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this whole situation is a classic
example of why commentators even if
their arguments aren’t the most
watertight at first seem to keep winning
these confrontations with youtubers from
other genres I actually don’t think many
of faint his arguments were on closer
inspection that’s strong and if we
wanted to pull up one example we can put
up the clickbait one I’m not sure you
guys are gonna like this what do I say
to make him realize that it’s an [ __ ]
thing to falsely clickbait someone else
okay so basically pokeyman just cannot
stand on her two feet and say that she
is against clickbait content on youtube
she essentially collapsed with a
youtuber who goes by the name of shotgun
plays but realistically he should be
called I sound like a meeting a chicken
legend every time I speak and the reason
this is a problem is because by playing
with this dude she essentially was
supporting his content and 90% of the
stuff that he uploads is straight-up
misleading clickbait so I don’t really
know what pokies doing playing with this
dude honestly by supporting this guy’s
videos it just means that she can’t go
off her weights suggest someone else
making clickbait content isn’t cool
because girl I’m sorry but you’ve
supported probably the biggest fortnight
clickbait youtuber firstly pokey main in
her original situation says it’s an
[ __ ] thing to do to clickbait quote
someone else check what do I say to make
him realize that it’s an [ __ ] thing
to falsely clickbait someone else
click mating fortnight is not
necessarily comparable and even if pokey
made didn’t express that point in the
best way we can see why she takes issue
with someone using another person’s Arts
in the thumbnail and not necessarily
taking issue with people click baiting
fortnight oh my god you put somebody
else’s bite on a thingy of meat like
there is a clear difference there a
clear moral dissonance now that’s just
one argument and the point of this video
is not to go through every single point
of paint its videos and I agree with
some when disagree with others I’m going
to leave the direct wants to my good
friend BWC check his video outs there
are points that could have been made on
pokémons behalf but they slipped through
the cracks because she clearly lacked
the expertise to deal with the drama
many
because once again pokey main honestly
wasn’t specific enough with the point
she was making an optimum way but or
what she was trying to say on one hand
she must have cared enough to think
about what points she was trying to
respond to but didn’t seem to care
enough to specify or provide further
evidence which is a standard that a lot
of commentary audiences are ravenous for
when I make my videos I’m consistently
returning to drunks of my videos and
telling myself to use more clips use
more evidence it’s a demand as onra you
have to pay attention to the surrounding
culture audiences on concept tend to
have a bit of a bad taste regarding to
extremists due to previous instance and
then you have this commentator fainted
who is the underdog and therefore many
neutral viewers will like someone
punching up and so if you make any
comments that seem misrepresentative
people will take that idea that this is
the larger youtuber trying to shut down
the smaller one because they’re the ones
with that perceived power one of the
most common criticisms levied against
larger youtubers is hypocrisy and the
reason people do it because it’s easy
craters like pokey main will make
statements day in and day out will
forget in the day after comments will be
made on whimsical sentiments so it’s
easy to find one or two situations that
contradict themselves if you want to be
a moral advocate in the community you
need nuanced the prom with lack of
nuance is that as said you end up
creating stands that you yourself will
inevitably fail to live up to especially
if you use vague arguments to justify it
if you fail to distinguish the morality
of situations that may seem similar on
the surface you will inevitably look
like a hypocrite and people will point
that out I do not think
pokey Maine is a malicious person matter
of fact I quite like her but it’s clear
through this situation
she has revealed herself to be extremely
naive even dangerously naive I mean when
she admits she doesn’t understand the
copyright system on YouTube before I
took it before was – you know I was
suggesting : for what I was just
thinking like maybe with the whole
strike system I don’t know if you’re
aware on YouTube it’s pretty bad for a
channel for them to get a proper
copyright strike you can only get free
and your channels deletes it so I was
just thinking if you weren’t happy with
the Treaty and not a copy straight it
can’t be a copy strike you a huge huge
influencer you have to look into the
consequences for your actions might have
after saying that you don’t know what
someone’s going through on top of this
as mentioned pokey main didn’t actually
strike but had omnia deliver a claim
which turned into a strike when beau
blacks appealed it once again this
information makes pokey main seem much
less malicious but if she’d have more
investment in the situation she would
have been able to find this out and then
put this case forward for herself rather
than necessarily having other people
bring it forward so this is once again
revealing of that naivety and
consequences are a two-way street and
with the dam safe situation he came into
your stream span the chat with a load of
[ __ ] scam links directly uploaded
content the wasn’t his had all his links
public he must have had some awareness
that his actions have consequences – he
must have anticipated this as a 17 year
old and frankly I find it extremely hard
to sympathize with him it may not be the
route that I would have taken in dealing
with it but the framing of him as some
kind of victim is one that has really
made applicable due to pokey main
significant clout and the fact that she
doesn’t know what he’s going through
words come back to haunt you and that’s
why the problems that seem apparent
we’ve walked down this spiraling road of
drama and pokey main is still stuck at
square one
and it seemed that with every live
stream every discussion every time she
made a point she just seemed to lose
more and more credibility because she
wants to accept some of the criticism
but at the same time she still feels she
has a case and I feel she doesn’t away
but unfortunately she would be
constantly undone by some of the
legitimate hypocrisy displayed due to
lack of justification pokey MAME wants
to play both teams but ends up playing
neither because she wants to both submit
to the points and yet counter them when
she does try to justify herself they can
feel like they’re unnecessary one of the
very weird techniques that I observed
pokeyman partaken throughout the drama
was this sort of response where she
appeared to agree with the point being
made against her for the same time she
words in a way that makes it sound like
she’s rebutting it’s a
right example of this is here he sends a
copyright strike right yes my suggestion
was like I person think would have been
a better idea how’d she dmg on Twitter
and said yo Bo blacks would you mind
taking down this video so then it means
she can get what she wants obviously the
video taking down and then you don’t get
a copyright strike to your channel just
like some form of contact before
initiate I totally get your point um I
would like to say I think if I’m
remembering correctly I mentioned this
to Bo Black’s Indians way later that I
wasn’t fully aware about the situation
and how copy strikes affected someone’s
channel I was under the assumption that
full-on strikes are what take down a
channel once you get three and I thought
that it was different to copy striking
video than just strike an entire channel
what we see here is basically pokey
saying she was ignorant but wording it
in a way as if that is a defense against
the point that feinted made rather than
just saying that as a multi million
subscriber channels she probably
shouldn’t have been that ignorant in the
first place which is the point that a
lot of people were making and I’m not
sure she’s entirely aware she’s doing it
a lot of processes in our reasoning are
rather subconscious but this sort of
technique will always rub people the
wrong way because of how it appears we
see the point I’m making here on one
hand you are fainted who in spite of the
possible flaws of argumentation has
presented points in an articulate
systematic and firm way and on the other
you have pokey Maine who whether there
are points there or not fall through
because she can’t seem to
compartmentalize criticism into
specifics and ends up just spray firing
her defenses and honestly the stream
highlights that difference when you put
these two people against each other the
contrast is so vast and this is the
power of critical commentary when you’ve
done this for a while it just puts you
in a different league a majority the
reason the pokey man was called out on
top of the copyright strike was her
hypocrisy and to bring it back to my
first point of the video I’m sure many
of you guys won’t be surprised to find
out that it’s fairly easy to point out
hypocrisy it may have the twist dreamers
pretty much anyone who doesn’t spin
an hour a day evaluating their morality
it doesn’t mean they’re bad people it
just means they’re not always thinking
about it and it’s just a case of when
they’re put into that rotation many
people from other genres just don’t
think about it and we commentators do
and I don’t think that’s a bad thing
there’s nothing wrong with pushing for
consistency but it is a difference and
one that has to be accepted I don’t
dislike Pokemon because maybe we’re like
Jay Paul and rice gum have done terrible
stuff and they’ve barely addresses at
all and pokeyman tried to come forward
and try to hit it and she was just out
of a depth in trying to retrospectively
explain a morality that she knows she
probably didn’t think too much about at
the time but at the same time in her
head she feels that she’s a good person
and I understand that but unfortunately
that’s just the way the cookie crumbles
you see you can’t justify what you
already daemon just a fireball and you
can’t defend what you’ve already deemed
to be indefensible and you can’t
rationalize what you’ve deemed to be
irrational so to finish responding to
commentators is risky business the
reason I don’t do these videos on people
like Bryce camp is because they don’t
care about their reputation when they
respond pokey main clearly does so I’ll
leave these points make sure your
responses are tight make sure people
know exactly what points you’re
addressing make sure you use evidence
very clearly make sure you work out the
concessions that they make and points
that you might agree on such as the
point that damn serve is annoying [ __ ]
and then work out how you can use those
agreements of premises to bring that
person around to you’re in the moment
perspective even if complete agreement
is not quite possible that is the
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How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her
hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome
to the right opinion the home of a [ __ ]
were too much free time now though we
cover some drama that’s a bit more
recent because oh my do we adore the
drama now I’ve covered twitch streamers
before and I’ll cover twitch streamers
again because they are an interesting
set of people and in spite of fact that
many of them are collectivized into a
category by commentators they are all at
least somewhat distinguished in what
they do in a video last year I carve
it’s a burger someone whose rise to
meteoric stardom was paired with an
equally catastrophic fall she was an
absolute magnet of drama and while the
more sexually suggestive characters out
of that legion at the same time she was
her own individual she was banned off
twitch I mainly gained infamy for antics
on YouTube and the subsequent drama that
yield it on the other hand we have
female streamers who may well be
considered attractive by their audience
I mean who doesn’t want to look their
best on camera but at the same time
doesn’t necessarily seek to exploit that
and this is where we reach pokeyman
pokeyman is someone who is established
on both YouTube and twitch with over 2
and a half million subscribers /
followers on each platform that’s
something which obviously cannot be
ignored he does some gaming she does
some reaction based videos but o rule as
people go she’s not an individual who
has received exceptional controversy
this is fairly typical for most John
Roos with a fairly undemanding audience
much less demanding than the ones who
watch critical commentators like myself
most commentators also tend to have a
list of people who are controversial and
easy to make videos on this is a
rotating list of people including Bryce
gums the pools morgues ksi edgy so maybe
some of the beauty community now maybe
throwing Emma Chamberlin – maybe you
like making thought pieces on who the
next Content cop is gonna be on or even
if there will be a new content copper
tool what this means is that although
people will be doing shady or at least
debatable actions if people aren’t
focusing on them then it’ll probably
pass under the radar and a lot of
craters including the person we’re going
to discuss today have been sheltered
from that sort of environment until now
however as spoken in the past the
alienation of drama can often mean that
when it eventually does confront one of
these people it means they
way out of their depth with no idea of
how to actually handle it generally this
is meant that in the history of dreamers
versus commentators the twitch streamers
tend to lose looking back to pyrocynical
versus Zooey burger PewDiePie versus a
Lindsay and yes in both of those
situations for example it’s fairly
reasonable to argue that you could side
with pyrocynical and PewDiePie in those
situations regardless of outcome but as
much as the circumstance does comprise
the drama the handling and the
presentation are equally important
another real problem is how a load this
drama can often be perceived expose
videos have been monopolized recently by
the commentary genre and so attempting
to make any sort of response to them is
the equivalent of going to play in a way
match your entering someone else’s
stadium and you’ll be attracting their
audience even if you’re responding on
your own channel why are the problems
with a lot of drama is that it always
feels like an ass versus them situation
you really are expected to side with one
of the people involved but sometimes
there is a clear moral high-ground when
it comes to these claims but often when
there isn’t we have to look a bit more
closer than many people choose to the
thing about drama is that whatever it
yields it can be assumed and some sort
of moral standard even though we often
forget about the conclusions we make and
just contradict ourselves in the future
I’m a man who does enjoy some
consistency some because whatever
disputes occur do have reputational
legacies and it’s important that we’re
holding people to account but not
unfairly singling them out because of
some subconscious bias so let’s talk
about today’s situation on the 28th of
December a very small youtuber by the
name of fainted released a video called
the dark side pokey main in which he
alleged that while the public’s back was
turned pokey main had done some pretty
shady stuff I’ll be breaking down the
details in a moment but like some of the
most infamous streamers in the past some
of the main claims were on the notion of
copyright striking or as many people now
like to call it copy striking firstly in
the incident of a series of uploaded
Twitter clips on a few between her and
keemstar and secondly on a child that
reuploaded stream clips of her known as
dam set these are both fairly separate
situations but fell under the umbrella
of criticism that pokey main was facing
down
when he uploaded a video fainted had a
few hundred subscribers but the video
blew up and he’s in a quite different
position it’s safe to say everyone lumps
a good old success story on top of his
paints his video contain multiple
allegations of hypocrisy particularly
imply through the situation in which
pokeyman criticized keemstar for
allegedly bullying a fan promoting a
principle that many claims was
contradicted by her behavior towards the
subjects of faint his video then a
couple weeks later on the 11th of
January PewDiePie uploaded a video with
the classic title stop doing this in
which you requested a host of youtubers
to well stop doing this
this being the unwarranted copyright
striking of other videos that seemingly
didn’t deserve them in this list was the
lady herself pokey main and the fact
that she had allegedly struck down the
Twitter feud which as pointed out by
PewDiePie had been picked up by the
algorithms and were being publicized and
pokey men probably wanted to keep it out
of the public eye
however this caused a classic Streisand
effect and now has the platform’s
largest youtuber covering it well we’ll
see how he’s doing it’s T series by the
time this video comes out so clearly
with a lot of allegations staring
herself down pokey main decide to make
her response video in which she
addressed some of the claims made
against her she admits some of her
transgressions but also decides to hold
her ground on some points particularly
this situation regarding damn sev which
is an interesting one
she also responds directly to both
PewDiePie and feted including clips of
their videos which of course provokes an
additional response from fainted which
was mainly rebutting pokey mayor’s
response and some of the points that she
made kind of concluding the pokemons
response was insufficient in the scope
of actually responding and more just a
way to dodge and reframe a lot of what’s
going on but is that the case because
honestly watching through fainted
initial video I wasn’t really won over I
thought it was a bit weak by cos II want
other people who were won over equally I
don’t think that any of the conclusions
necessarily that I’ve observed make
pokey main a bad person per se but I
still think she’s made a huge mistake
and when your ratings are going badly
there’s always a reason so today I don’t
want this to be an exposed video it’s
not but more a guide on why people might
turn against you in the face of
ramaa and how someone who has probably
never dealt with it before can take it
on in the future because you know that’s
what we do here on the right opinion
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one of the most contentious issues on
the platform is that of fair use we have
some sort of vague Marga about the do’s
and don’ts when a situation that blurs
the lines comes about it often throws
the community into Kayle with no clear
argument on what is actually right on
top of this it is a really passionate
topic people care a hell of a lot and if
you’re doing it unjustly you are gonna
have an uphill battle defending yourself
this is the first situation that comes
about with pokey main because what
happened as both testified by her and
fainted is basically keemstar was on
Twitter had an argument with some fans
of another crater the colorful character
SS knife wall before pokey main stepped
into the fray to go toe-to-toe with Kim
in a Twitter video battle but then a
load of people contributed as well and
the load of memes and a load of people
who I’m not familiar with because I
don’t use this damn sight enough right
there this [ __ ] organization is
actually kind of awfully the shadows
even you could tell you stacked up even
of the angle [ __ ] sucks
this [ __ ] wires is in place now after
a discussion it was assumed to be over
and many people continued with their
lives however a compilation of this
discussion was downloaded and re
uploaded onto YouTube and it clearly
caught people’s attention and because it
caught people’s attention YouTube
decided that it was going to blow the
video up so suddenly this drama that
pokey MAME probably regretted involving
herself in the first place was blowing
up all over YouTube and there was
nothing she could do about it all so
people thought because pokey main
decided to have her company omnia media
removed the video and deal acclaim on to
the youtuber known as beau blacks now
most people believe he received a strike
straight away but actually this was a
miscommunication and sowing that has
been clarified recently through
additional research however even with
that said it did eventually turn into a
strike due to the appeals and for anyone
who doesn’t know a copyright strike has
a significant effect on the mobility of
a channel even if it’s only one it
causes a fair bit of stress and takes a
few months to expire so on one hand you
are fainted and PewDiePie who caught up
for doing this of course it’s annoying
when something like this blows out of
proportion but such a response is rather
uncalled for so in a way I can
understand why you want to take down
this video because this selected thing
blows up and becomes even bigger thanks
to YouTube system being kind of stupid
at least I can somewhat understand the
motivation of trying to take down that
video but the problem here and the same
problem that goes with every single
example that I brought up in this video
is that you’re just drawing more
attention to it
it’s the Streisand effect every single
time pokeyman responds them saying that
although she felt perfectly within legal
right to remove the video she
understands that it was a morally
problematic decision to take although I
was legally within my right to take down
the video morally and as a content
creator it wasn’t something that I
should have done because I mean at the
end of the day those were tweets that me
and keen made publicly and videos that
we made publicly fainted then disputes
this using his commentary credentials by
citing at keemstar tweets you know I’m
not even gonna bother giving my opinions
on this we’ll just leave that to the man
himself keemstar poke you mean I think
you’re confused on what transformative
means the video where they played both
our Twitter vids was transformative
because it’s a college of multiple Clips
there’s case law on this it’s not a
direct upload like you stated you could
get sued for false flagging this gave me
the impression that he seemed to think
that the video was fair use because it
was in a compilation format and so I
want to put this on hold for a moment
because I noticed a problem in the
reasoning firstly I think contrary to my
friend’s belief here that actually poke
humane was completely in her quote legal
rights to remove the video even though
there is some sort of claim that this
has been put to test in the courts I
cannot find it and I highly doubt a
compilation of clips would be considered
fair use considering some of the other
cases even if they’re done in a way that
shows a chronologically arranged
discussion which could be considered
part of the transformation dealing with
values is incredibly complicated we know
where the extremes lie we know that
Chris stuntman’s film reviews are almost
certainly fair use and we know that
reuploads of Coldplay songs are most
likely not fair use but a lot of the
content falls in between and therefore
the only way to resolve this is through
the courts either way fair use or not I
find this whole debacle to be a bit of a
non argument and if pokeyman was taken
to court over this I think
she’d win but here’s the thing just
because something is legally accepted
doesn’t mean we should accept it
laws are typically based off some sort
of moral foundations and therefore when
pokeyman accepted the regardless of
legality her move was morally dubious it
should have technically invalidated her
argument because generally we perceive
ourselves on the basis of paralysis and
therefore if she actively did something
that she’s aware was immoral then
legality only exists as a technical
defence to avoid being sued just because
something’s legal does not make it moral
and therefore means we shouldn’t
necessarily accept it laws themselves
exist for that reason for the betterment
of society what we build the laws on we
build those laws on principles laws are
partly built tomorrow and we’re always
debating what should and should not be
changed if you can’t morally justify
your actions than the fact that it’s
legal does not serve as a defense other
than of course in courts but audiences
are not jurors they’re just people who
have opinions thing is that although I’m
generally against re-uploaded content I
feel that these circumstances make the
situation much more of an archiving of a
conversation that occurred trying to
meet what unfortunately happened and
could have been archived any other way
is where the issue lies and I don’t
think that was a reasonable action on
her part and I think me and her can
agree there now and this is one of the
thing she uses this term in a way that I
would call a passive defense basically
she doesn’t run the point as if it’s
counter to her position on the situation
all the point she’s trying to make she
still concedes apologizes and admits she
was wrong and fair play for that
although I was legally within my right
to take down the video morally and as a
content creator it wasn’t something that
I should have done because I mean at the
end of the day those were tweets that
mean kiemce made publicly and videos
that we made publicly so I totally
apologize for that and I spoke to the
guy who made those videos like a few
weeks back and we had resolved all of
this in diem however because she made
the point fainted can extract it and run
against it and as a passive defense her
video really could have done without it
a passive defense is only really
utilized as they were
torkoal device to demonstrate
reasonability and I think that’s what
pokey was trying to do here the problem
is when you’re defending yourself a
passive defense has to explain your
mindset rather than necessarily
justifying your ability to commit the
action for example I say I’m sorry for
shouting at our lady I was drunk and
depressed but it was completely wrong
with me rather than I’m sorry for
shouting of that lady I was well within
my rights to do it but it was completely
wrong nonetheless because it’s a moral
issue the way of word the second
explanation
sounds like a scapegoat because it
sounds like I’ve shifted part
responsibility onto the legal system for
allowing me to do it and that’s where
you have to be very careful on how it
comes across I find pokey mains responds
genuinely interesting because I think is
one of the first ones that clearly have
the correct base formula down
corresponding something that you know is
wrong it’s important to admit your
mistakes but at the same time try to
make sure the audience can empathize
with the mindset you’re in and she does
appear to attempt that and lay that
structure down but she just pause the
wrong points in there is a right way and
a wrong way to justify yourself and this
tends to Lee in the wrong way this is a
problem particularly evident throughout
pokey mains response the emphasis of our
points do not reflect the points that
are of interest to the audience
everything that might be relevant seems
rather brushed over I don’t think it’s
her intent but it can come across as
rather dismissive equally I don’t think
it’s her intent to necessarily miss Rome
the claims being made against her but
some people were saying that I pulled up
his like personal Instagram and made fun
of him or something what she does is
honestly pretty evil he finds stuff
saves personal Instagram page and then
just laughing at pictures of him he had
his Instagram linked in the description
of the videos that he was posting so it
was not like a personal or private
Instagram I didn’t attack the way that
he looked and obviously he was watching
my stream while he was on the call with
me and he saw that I was looking at his
Instagram he said do you like what you
see showing off like yeah I don’t like
people trying to make it seem like I
would go to someone’s Instagram with
fail intent just to like bash on them
hell in a minute what kind of cutting
was that bro she just completely cut up
my point
though he finds stuff Sam’s personal
Instagram
age and then just laughing at pictures
of it let me show you what it actually
looked like and then you can probably
guess what pokey paintin include that in
her video but he finds stuff sells
personal Instagram page and literally
starts looking for a laughing at it in
front of thousands of viewers premier is
that she’s gone into it like a lot of
public figures they come from a genre
where optics and wording don’t seem like
a big deal and suddenly making vague
statements is fairly easy for a
commentator like fainted who I don’t
even rate as an argumentation experts
you have to be specific you have to be
clear with what you mean and you cannot
miss rain the situation to be
disproportionately sympathetic to your
case or disproportionately harsh against
another person because there is nobody
who will pick that up like the
commentators I think this is a really
important learning experience that we
should definitely take forward going
into the second situation
thing about the damn safe situation is
that if pokey main had approached it
correctly then she could have been in
the clip this is the real pivotal
situation that galvanized a lordly drama
and to completely apprehend how to
respond she kind of had to understand
exactly what people’s objections were to
the original scenario and once again
fainted on one hand had a much harder
sell DAF Seb was clearly an annoying
[ __ ] and frankly people are not inclined
to side with someone they may perceive
as an annoying [ __ ] and we do so much
here do you make youtube videos or do
you reapply other people’s content I
still contact and they’re like its own
[ __ ] and like put credits and I’m like
oh my god dude please subscribe the
thing fainted very smartly did was not
side with Daffy so by not necessarily
defending to have self he knew that if
pokey main decided to try and couple him
to have sev in any sort of way then he
could object and point out the floor in
her argument because pokey main didn’t
pay close enough attention to respond
meticulously she makes some very vague
claims and thus suffers because of them
even though with better wording she
could have really put it to bed but this
point in the discussion I think
everybody can agree that pokey meters in
the right hip because of course if this
guy’s proud of the fact that he’s
uploading clickbait videos it kind of
tells us a lot about his character so if
the video he’s uploaded consists of
literally just a stream clip nabbed from
her live stream than in that case I
think she 100% as the right to take that
on the video but because once again she
focuses on one issue which she doesn’t
really respond to properly she first
cants faintest clip up in a way that
changes the message now whether she want
to do that if proficiency or not is
beside the point it came across as
twisting information equally it’s really
important to not be distracted by the
general representation of the points
painted maybe a smaller youtuber but
right now he is the one with the moment
some and therefore if you want to
respond to him you have to make sure his
arguments are being communicated
properly and that equally you make sure
there’s no confusion
for example this earlier clip and people
have been using clips from that live
stream to try to make it look like I
randomly take down videos whenever I
want or I do that commonly when it’s
definitely not the case right so now
daddy faint it’s getting cool down I’m
pretty sure in my video never mentioned
anything about her frequently taking
down videos my video is focused on your
hypocrisy
now as noted fainted lays claim that
this clip is about him but pokey never
actively says it is and there’s fair
evidence to assume that from other
youtubers this narrative isn’t rare so
it’s very possible that pokey caught
other videos or comments from people but
because she put it in a title that she’s
responding to the dark side of pokey
main it implies that this is a narrative
that is local to his video even though
it’s not it is actually a general
narrative that is somewhat existent in
other youtubers who have made videos and
got decent views pokeyman recently still
be going around doing a lot of scummy
things pretty much she’s striking out a
bunch of smaller creators she’s making
people cried if I to 20,000 people right
on stream and she’s honestly just you
know I thought I want to put it out
there that I never knowingly take down a
video that is transformative content I
would not take down videos that people
have spent time like reading commentary
for and editing
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videos that I’m in that are positive or
negative that I don’t take down now I
say this because she uses the phrase
people faint it is not people fainted as
a person as far as I know and I think we
can deduce here that once again she’s
trying to address a different narrative
being pushed by certain youtubers the
problem is when you put someone’s video
title in your title it sounds like
you’re addressing them fainted had no
real right to lay claim to that comment
other than that fact it would have been
narcissistic to assume that his video
was the only one that promoted a
narrative like that equally by dressing
some narratives and overlooking others
it just seems like she’s dancing around
certain points and honestly she didn’t
really need to address fainted at all
especially when she only brings up the
situation about how it’s being framed
and one of the biggest problems is when
you bring up the question of optics and
not just the direct situation it becomes
very very sketchy the only thing that
she actively goes out of her way to
address fainted on is the Instagram
situation and once again if you can
explain why you did this barely enough
easy picking you pissed off that someone
is taking your content being an
irritating bastard and so to elicit your
perception of justice against this Dave
sev Trant you think that he deserves to
get the piss taken a swim and so you go
hang all your dirty laundry on the
stream and you admit that you went a bit
too far and you know what that’s pretty
much what she said and probably why
fainted doesn’t bother addressing that
part because a majority of it is fairly
agreeable the point of this is just the
same that was an entirely different
scenario in situation where I was well
within my right to take down his content
but also in that moment and on that live
stream like I shouldn’t have had that
conversation on stream and it definitely
was a moment of frustration that
shouldn’t have been like publicized in
that way for sure but then she ends up
at this point he had his Instagram
linked in the description of the videos
that he was posting so it was not like a
personal or private Instagram I didn’t
attack the way that he looked and
obviously he was watching my stream
while he was on the call with me and he
saw that I was looking at his Instagram
he said do you like what you see and
once again we end up in a situation over
house
song was allowed to do something the
notion that she found his personal
Instagram page because it was linked in
the description and honestly once again
her point is not wrong she can do what
she wants the fact that Dave sev is a
youtuber and adult putting content on a
public platform and therefore any links
he posts as public may be picked up by
anyone but it sounds like pokey Maine
interpreted the point against her as if
she was daxing someone rather than
actually necessary the point that
fainted was trying to make okay so this
is the one part of the video that does
kind of trigger me a little bit so in
Pookie means logic just because Dave sev
had his Instagram linked on one of his
twitch compilations that gives her the
right to display his Instagram in front
of thousands of people on her twitch
stream someone who she openly dislikes
and Ashley states earlier on in the
stream is what is wrong with this world
so you know clearly giving off some
great vibes towards this guy and
encouraging her fans to send them lots
of positive comments right if people who
don’t like him want to take the piss out
of him they can go for it I mean hell
that’s what people like leave he did for
a career and they went after much more
vulnerable targets the point that
fainted was making was that it was
rather distasteful to go out of your way
to make fun of someone and exposed them
to that heat especially when you have
that power to really cause some
potential harassment against them once
again something that you’ve already
admitted with a fairly heated gala
moment you’re then arguing on the
technicality the one that really wasn’t
being argued in the first place honestly
if po he had just turned around said yet
P got way deserved
she may have come out looking better and
the only reason she can’t really say
that is because the argument she had
with keemstar where she took that moral
position against bullying and yes you
can see the parallels between the
situation’s and if she really wanted to
work out how to make a proper response
in that instance she would have had to
worked out how to correctly express the
distinction between that situation and
this one and that is the only way you
can respond to something like hypocrisy
I think pokey genuinely wanted to try
and have an open discussion but the main
point that she continually made was that
I shouldn’t have done that but it was in
my rights too which is not a good
argument you have to just say honestly I
was pissed off because it’s okay to be
pissed off we’re all human we get
annoyed if some was me upload
my uploads I’d be annoyed too because in
many ways that’s what you seem to
express pokey I’m making somewhat
relevant points the meant to serve as a
defense actually tend to serve as a
distraction from what could have been a
genuinely decent response video
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this whole situation is a classic
example of why commentators even if
their arguments aren’t the most
watertight at first seem to keep winning
these confrontations with youtubers from
other genres I actually don’t think many
of faint his arguments were on closer
inspection that’s strong and if we
wanted to pull up one example we can put
up the clickbait one I’m not sure you
guys are gonna like this what do I say
to make him realize that it’s an [ __ ]
thing to falsely clickbait someone else
okay so basically pokeyman just cannot
stand on her two feet and say that she
is against clickbait content on youtube
she essentially collapsed with a
youtuber who goes by the name of shotgun
plays but realistically he should be
called I sound like a meeting a chicken
legend every time I speak and the reason
this is a problem is because by playing
with this dude she essentially was
supporting his content and 90% of the
stuff that he uploads is straight-up
misleading clickbait so I don’t really
know what pokies doing playing with this
dude honestly by supporting this guy’s
videos it just means that she can’t go
off her weights suggest someone else
making clickbait content isn’t cool
because girl I’m sorry but you’ve
supported probably the biggest fortnight
clickbait youtuber firstly pokey main in
her original situation says it’s an
[ __ ] thing to do to clickbait quote
someone else check what do I say to make
him realize that it’s an [ __ ] thing
to falsely clickbait someone else
click mating fortnight is not
necessarily comparable and even if pokey
made didn’t express that point in the
best way we can see why she takes issue
with someone using another person’s Arts
in the thumbnail and not necessarily
taking issue with people click baiting
fortnight oh my god you put somebody
else’s bite on a thingy of meat like
there is a clear difference there a
clear moral dissonance now that’s just
one argument and the point of this video
is not to go through every single point
of paint its videos and I agree with
some when disagree with others I’m going
to leave the direct wants to my good
friend BWC check his video outs there
are points that could have been made on
pokémons behalf but they slipped through
the cracks because she clearly lacked
the expertise to deal with the drama
many
because once again pokey main honestly
wasn’t specific enough with the point
she was making an optimum way but or
what she was trying to say on one hand
she must have cared enough to think
about what points she was trying to
respond to but didn’t seem to care
enough to specify or provide further
evidence which is a standard that a lot
of commentary audiences are ravenous for
when I make my videos I’m consistently
returning to drunks of my videos and
telling myself to use more clips use
more evidence it’s a demand as onra you
have to pay attention to the surrounding
culture audiences on concept tend to
have a bit of a bad taste regarding to
extremists due to previous instance and
then you have this commentator fainted
who is the underdog and therefore many
neutral viewers will like someone
punching up and so if you make any
comments that seem misrepresentative
people will take that idea that this is
the larger youtuber trying to shut down
the smaller one because they’re the ones
with that perceived power one of the
most common criticisms levied against
larger youtubers is hypocrisy and the
reason people do it because it’s easy
craters like pokey main will make
statements day in and day out will
forget in the day after comments will be
made on whimsical sentiments so it’s
easy to find one or two situations that
contradict themselves if you want to be
a moral advocate in the community you
need nuanced the prom with lack of
nuance is that as said you end up
creating stands that you yourself will
inevitably fail to live up to especially
if you use vague arguments to justify it
if you fail to distinguish the morality
of situations that may seem similar on
the surface you will inevitably look
like a hypocrite and people will point
that out I do not think
pokey Maine is a malicious person matter
of fact I quite like her but it’s clear
through this situation
she has revealed herself to be extremely
naive even dangerously naive I mean when
she admits she doesn’t understand the
copyright system on YouTube before I
took it before was – you know I was
suggesting : for what I was just
thinking like maybe with the whole
strike system I don’t know if you’re
aware on YouTube it’s pretty bad for a
channel for them to get a proper
copyright strike you can only get free
and your channels deletes it so I was
just thinking if you weren’t happy with
the Treaty and not a copy straight it
can’t be a copy strike you a huge huge
influencer you have to look into the
consequences for your actions might have
after saying that you don’t know what
someone’s going through on top of this
as mentioned pokey main didn’t actually
strike but had omnia deliver a claim
which turned into a strike when beau
blacks appealed it once again this
information makes pokey main seem much
less malicious but if she’d have more
investment in the situation she would
have been able to find this out and then
put this case forward for herself rather
than necessarily having other people
bring it forward so this is once again
revealing of that naivety and
consequences are a two-way street and
with the dam safe situation he came into
your stream span the chat with a load of
[ __ ] scam links directly uploaded
content the wasn’t his had all his links
public he must have had some awareness
that his actions have consequences – he
must have anticipated this as a 17 year
old and frankly I find it extremely hard
to sympathize with him it may not be the
route that I would have taken in dealing
with it but the framing of him as some
kind of victim is one that has really
made applicable due to pokey main
significant clout and the fact that she
doesn’t know what he’s going through
words come back to haunt you and that’s
why the problems that seem apparent
we’ve walked down this spiraling road of
drama and pokey main is still stuck at
square one
and it seemed that with every live
stream every discussion every time she
made a point she just seemed to lose
more and more credibility because she
wants to accept some of the criticism
but at the same time she still feels she
has a case and I feel she doesn’t away
but unfortunately she would be
constantly undone by some of the
legitimate hypocrisy displayed due to
lack of justification pokey MAME wants
to play both teams but ends up playing
neither because she wants to both submit
to the points and yet counter them when
she does try to justify herself they can
feel like they’re unnecessary one of the
very weird techniques that I observed
pokeyman partaken throughout the drama
was this sort of response where she
appeared to agree with the point being
made against her for the same time she
words in a way that makes it sound like
she’s rebutting it’s a
right example of this is here he sends a
copyright strike right yes my suggestion
was like I person think would have been
a better idea how’d she dmg on Twitter
and said yo Bo blacks would you mind
taking down this video so then it means
she can get what she wants obviously the
video taking down and then you don’t get
a copyright strike to your channel just
like some form of contact before
initiate I totally get your point um I
would like to say I think if I’m
remembering correctly I mentioned this
to Bo Black’s Indians way later that I
wasn’t fully aware about the situation
and how copy strikes affected someone’s
channel I was under the assumption that
full-on strikes are what take down a
channel once you get three and I thought
that it was different to copy striking
video than just strike an entire channel
what we see here is basically pokey
saying she was ignorant but wording it
in a way as if that is a defense against
the point that feinted made rather than
just saying that as a multi million
subscriber channels she probably
shouldn’t have been that ignorant in the
first place which is the point that a
lot of people were making and I’m not
sure she’s entirely aware she’s doing it
a lot of processes in our reasoning are
rather subconscious but this sort of
technique will always rub people the
wrong way because of how it appears we
see the point I’m making here on one
hand you are fainted who in spite of the
possible flaws of argumentation has
presented points in an articulate
systematic and firm way and on the other
you have pokey Maine who whether there
are points there or not fall through
because she can’t seem to
compartmentalize criticism into
specifics and ends up just spray firing
her defenses and honestly the stream
highlights that difference when you put
these two people against each other the
contrast is so vast and this is the
power of critical commentary when you’ve
done this for a while it just puts you
in a different league a majority the
reason the pokey man was called out on
top of the copyright strike was her
hypocrisy and to bring it back to my
first point of the video I’m sure many
of you guys won’t be surprised to find
out that it’s fairly easy to point out
hypocrisy it may have the twist dreamers
pretty much anyone who doesn’t spin
an hour a day evaluating their morality
it doesn’t mean they’re bad people it
just means they’re not always thinking
about it and it’s just a case of when
they’re put into that rotation many
people from other genres just don’t
think about it and we commentators do
and I don’t think that’s a bad thing
there’s nothing wrong with pushing for
consistency but it is a difference and
one that has to be accepted I don’t
dislike Pokemon because maybe we’re like
Jay Paul and rice gum have done terrible
stuff and they’ve barely addresses at
all and pokeyman tried to come forward
and try to hit it and she was just out
of a depth in trying to retrospectively
explain a morality that she knows she
probably didn’t think too much about at
the time but at the same time in her
head she feels that she’s a good person
and I understand that but unfortunately
that’s just the way the cookie crumbles
you see you can’t justify what you
already daemon just a fireball and you
can’t defend what you’ve already deemed
to be indefensible and you can’t
rationalize what you’ve deemed to be
irrational so to finish responding to
commentators is risky business the
reason I don’t do these videos on people
like Bryce camp is because they don’t
care about their reputation when they
respond pokey main clearly does so I’ll
leave these points make sure your
responses are tight make sure people
know exactly what points you’re
addressing make sure you use evidence
very clearly make sure you work out the
concessions that they make and points
that you might agree on such as the
point that damn serve is annoying [ __ ]
and then work out how you can use those
agreements of premises to bring that
person around to you’re in the moment
perspective even if complete agreement
is not quite possible that is the
summary of wisdom that I can leave you
with today and I hope you can take
something away from it if you are indeed
watching so yeah that was the video once
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interesting one definitely wanted more
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came down to how you speak and I love
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interesting how people’s perspectives
are actually much more shaped sometimes
by house one presents their points
rather than what points they
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